This was posted under ‘Dangers Of Ouija Boards’ and I thought it deserved a post of it’s own, so here it is:
The most vehement and compelling tale came to me while I was working in a small arts community in New Mexico. I was part of tight group of friends who gathered each night in a saloon there. One night I was regaling them with my repertoire of ghost tales. Suddenly a fellow I will call, Jay said, “Aw, bullshit!”, and got up and started to walk away. He turned around and pointed to me and said, “I want to talk to you”. SO, I finished the tale and went over to Jay, who was over a drink at the bar. Knowing what upset him, I said, “Jay, I am very sorry if those tales upset you.”
“Well, you should not tell ghost stories. They summon the spirits close. They can hear us, you know. If you want that I can tell you plenty of ways to do so. But once summoned, they will never leave you alone!” Jay also explicitly warned about summoning evil to your prescence with the use of Ouija boards.
He told me that his brother actually had been a professional exorcist, in Colorado. His brother had exorcised spirits who had followed Jay’s wacked-out girlfriend for 20 years after she fell off a deep-sea pier – nearly drowning. She was freed, but then the spirits began to follow his brother. It was intense enough that these demons tried to kill him, including grabbing the wheel of his car and running off the road. He only found relief above 10,000 feet in elevation, so, according to Jay, his brother lived high in the Front Range in a cabin above Boulder.
Jay finished by explaining what spirits, demons and ghosts really are. It was strikingly similar to the explanations offered on this site. These entitites are beings trapped in another dimension…trying to return to this plane-by attaching themselves to living beings or imitating the (often repetitive) actions of the lives of the dead. This explains some of the often repetitive movements and locations of revenants. He concluded that shamans in every civilization eventually comes to these conclusions.
“Jay, are you still mad at me?” I said.
“No, but remember what I said about this”.
I replied, “I won’t ever do that in your presence again.”
“Just don’t do it, for your own safety. Now let’s have a drink.”
Years later, I am still reluctant to tell of my family’s and my own brushes with the otherworldly. I am not much of a Christian, but knowing that evil is that close makes one believe in the power of Invoking the Lord.
Now, I only heard this story. I can’t verify a thing, other than I was told it. However, that night changed my life, and makes me stop and think when talking of these things.
By JHC, copyright 2010 JHC @ World Mysteries And True Ghost Tales
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What Jay says is right to a certain extent, although, i’m not so keen on thinking that just talking about it all can cause you problems, i think it has to be more physical…like if you play a ouija or try to summon the unknown with spells and such.
Because of his brother’s experiences, then Jay has maybe become over cautious to the extreme, which is ok and quite understandable, but i have had no problems relating paranormal experiences myself…only encountered problems when trying to summon them like in my story under the ouija board articles. I have never had anything happen when relating my experiences.
Thanks JHC, i really enjoyed that!!!
NB, i don’t know why, but i couldn’t put spaced paragraphs in this article, but i will try again tomorrow to sort it out.
Thanks EP for publishing that, it is something to think about! I guess I am in real trouble then, because I write ghost stories.
Same here Pitch, i’m in trouble too for owning a paranormal site, lol.
No, sorry JHC… not mocking at all, just being realistic, we can talk about it for sure! And of course, people who write about it are also talking in their minds too as they write, so no, i don’t think talking about it is the same. What do you think JHC?
I think some people are very sentative to the spirit realm and remember angels also reside in the spirit realm and it is where God, Jesus, Satan and the demons are too. So some spirts are there to help, others to hurt.
Well, i was helped when attacked by a demon, so i have to believe in the fact that Angels and God were there at the same time i was attacked by a demon, because i was helped…thank God!!
OMG i wonder what kind of person i would have become if i hadn’t said that prayer in my head at the time of my attack????
You would be the lovely woman we know today…but maybe not nearly as strong. I am fascinated by spirits and the possibility of communicating after death…I do think that anything evil would disguise itself as something harmless. I just don’t think that every single time this is the case.
I think more about the subtle ways evil comes in…when things look like they are being done for our own good when in reality, it’s leading down a destructive path.
**off topic…hello Pitch Potter! My computer’s been doing the “failed connection” thing again, but I’m getting a new hard drive in two weeks…brand new one! But I am thinking of you and hope all is well**
I do know that the people who were indigenous to the United States before the Europeans settling here were terrified of ghosts. Many beliefs were that the presence of a spirit meant that they hadn’t crossed over. They were angry..and looking for someone or something to avenge.
And love ya, EP!
Since I was here last, I have had some experiences in my house. The women and child that was here before has left, but the noies have remained. I heard the floor boards creek and the bumping noise on the walls. One night I looked up and there was a shadow on the wall. It looked like a tall man. I layed there and looked at it for awhile, but when I looked away and back again it was gone.
I think it is a residual ghost, because I have heard the creeking floor boards and bumping on the walls for a long time.
I mentioned on here one time about asking my dead husband to give me a sign and let me know if he was alright and that night I saw a blue light the size of a tennis ball in my bedroom. I’m wondering if I opened a portal when I did that, because I know I have had a lot of misterious things happen in this house every since.
Hey Nancy hi there, nice to see you comment again…just briefly, i have to say i have had so much going on in my life lately, that i have neglected my site so much, which is a shame, but i will try and rectify that soon and thanks for bearing with me and all the other subscribers including you!.
I know what you mean Nancy and i struggle with what is said in the Bible about the dead being dead and that is it until resurection time, when there is clearly signs from our loved ones at times. That blue light you saw is fascinating, and it coming at the time you thought it could only be your hubby is hard to swallow as anything other than him…i get ya on that so much!
Scary, thanks hunny!! i needed a lift tonight, i ran out of cigs and i have to wait till morning now….grrrr!! lol
What i said to JHC in the comments above is related to what i think about your experiences.
Sending my love your way scary!
I meant to say, what other experiences have you had Nancy? And, what makes you think it is definately your hubby with that blue light?
Plus, maybe it did open a portal….it’s scary all this isn’t it?
Eyeprietress, I was going through some rough time after my husband passed. He was my second husband and we were only married for eight years. His grown children were giving me a hard time and one night when I was crying I pleaded with him to give me a sign that he was okay. That was when I saw the blue light. I woke up in the middle of the night and my bedroom was ice cold. It was in the middle of summer and the day time temps were around 110. The night time temps were around 85 TO 90 degrees. Anyway I looked up and saw the blue light and it came down and brushed my cheek. I had the most peaceful feeling I had since his passing. I got up and went into the living room and smoked a cigaret. When I returned to my bedroom it was warm again. I haven’t seen the blue light again, but I have had weird things happen where it looks like fire flies in the room and a lot of static electrecity in the air. There are nights when I get up I feel like I’m being zapped. It is almost like I’m walking through something. I read somewhere that the spirits are trying to gather the energy in the room so that they can be seen. I think I told you about having light bulbs blow out and even a picture tube on my T.V. The T.V. was old and the light bulbs could have been defective, but it sure scared the heck out of me. Nothing like that has happened for a long time. I did have an electrican check my house and everything checked out okay.
I would point out Jay’s most interesting premise… Ghosts might not be the true spirits of the dead…but beings from another plane imitating the dead. However, ghosts often follow the broken trajectory of a life (usually a result of premature death). Also ghosts and presences often reflect of the long-held frustrations, obsessions or grievances of the dead. Is it bad to talk of ghosts?
No. Summoning the spirit world however, is quite dangerous. There are places we should fear to go.
We nned to remember a litle levity is the always the best way to chase away bad spirits!
I think the best person to answer Nancy’s question, is Nancy, herself. The feeling you had at the time of the encounter should tell her, what this is.
Hey. Scary Girl, it was you I had in mind when I mentioned that some people are more sensitive to the spirit realm than the average person. Good luck with the PC upgrade.
Very interesting it leaves alot to the imagination, but I must say that I myself wanted to have a seance one night and my husband said “it’s best to leave things where they are!”
my problem is i do have a few ghosts wandering around our property, but they choose to be quiet most of the time. my old man and i have seen a residule victorian woman and i’ve seen a shadow man and a few zip by windows and the dog’s toys jump into the air and footsteps. nothing happens in the winter, only summer. i would never try to get them to come out. i watch my dog alot and my cats because they know before i do. the house is 123 yrs and i figure it’s their house as much as mine.
I’d recommend copying this text and putting it in MS Word. It will be easier to read that way.
To make a long story short, when someone thinks they are talking with the dead, they are deceived by some familiar spirit, or demon, or other evil being. If God created a place of confinement, and He has, then I believe no one will leave that place unless He permits it.
In the following scriptures written by Luke, Abraham, who was obviously dead at the time, clearly stated that NO ONE was going back for any reason, those still living continue as they do even until they die.
If you didn’t already know, the Old Testament tells us that Elijah walked with God, and was taken by God, and never saw death.
Genesis 5:24
And Elijah walked with God: and he was not; For God took him.
Hebrews 11:5
Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him.
2Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (This chariot, was probably some kind of craft created to transport a human being. just a guess)
There is one exception…, Moses who was dead came to the mount of transfiguration (along with Enoch who never died) to speak with Jesus just prior to His crucifixion. Jesus died and was ressurected 3 days later.
In this case, the rich man like any other dead person would not be able to communicate with the living.
Read about the one exception God allowed as it appears in the book of Matthew listed below.
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Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luke 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
Luke 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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http : // http://www.nemontel.net/~word1/confronti…pirits.htm
Deut. 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deut. 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with FAMILIAR SPIRITS, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
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(As I type, I’ve got that feeling again…, like dejavu.)
http : // http://www.biblekeeper.com/bible-search/…verseto=25
The witch of Endor having a familiar spirit…, a familiar spirit was one in a relationship with this particular witch, so when she called, she was not calling a spirit of anyone dead, rather she called “it” and it would deceive the one making an inquiry.
This scripture makes it crystal clear that God refused to answer Saul. Why would he allow Saul to speak with Samuel? He didn’t allow it.
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1 Samuel 28:5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
1 Samuel 28:7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a FAMILIAR SPIRIT, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a FAMILIAR SPIRIT at Endor.
1 Samuel 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, DIVINE unto me by the FAMILIAR SPIRIT, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
1 Samuel 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have FAMILIAR SPIRITS, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
1 Samuel 28:10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
1 Samuel 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
1 Samuel 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
1 Samuel 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1 Samuel 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. AND SAUL PERCEIVED THAT IT WAS SAMUEL, AND HE STOOPED WITH HIS FACE TO THE GROUND, AND BOWED HIMSELF.
1 Samuel 28:15 And Samuel (actually it was the FAMILIAR SPIRIT) said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
1 Samuel 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
1 Samuel 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:
1 Samuel 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.
1 Samuel 28:19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: AND TOMORROW SHALT THOU AND THY SONS BE WITH ME (these are not the words of God, God had already made it clear that consulting with witches and familiar spirts was a serious sin, these were the words from the familiar spirit):the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
1 Samuel 28:20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.
1 Samuel 28:6 makes it pretty clear that God would not answer King Saul at all! God would not communicate through a spirit of the dead or familiar spirits, He condemned all of this. Saul was very desperate and full of fear, and he broke the very Law that he once enforced.
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Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Matthew 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Matthew 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Matthew 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Matthew 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
Matthew 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
Matthew 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Matthew 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Matthew 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Matthew 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Matthew 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
These disciples initally did not understand exactly who Christ was referring to when he spoke of “Elias.”
John the Baptist was in his own spirit just like Elias…, we know what happened to John the Baptist (who came before Christ) he was eventually imprisoned and subsequently killed.
“Elias” was literally the Old Testament prophet Elijah. Elijah had never died; he was taken by God. John the Baptist had the same kind of spirit that Elijah had.
Moses is the only one that ever left his confinement between death and ressurection, in order to serve God’s purpose, to counsel Jesus before the crucifixion.
Considering all the punishment He was about to receive, it makes sense that Jesus may have needed some counsel…, most of the disciples were sleeping at the time.
In Summary
The truly dead people CAN NOT communicate with the living, they are in confinement according to the life they once lived.
The living are not supposed to be familiar with evil spirits/demons or such.
So, who has been speaking “as the dead” with the living? Certainly familiar spirits, and probably numerous other deceitful evil beings.
And as a matter of history, there has been a lot of fraud for the sake of taking money from customers who don’t know any better.
To quote eyepriestess,
“so what we think are ghosts are either demons or angels.”
I believe that is why God tells us that we must discern the difference between the evil and the good or be deceived.
Greg
Greg, this deserves a post of its own, it is worth saving and people can reference it. I will make this into a post when i come back online this evening.
I do believe this but it makes it difficult to write a good ghost story. Which is why I labled them as paranormal fiction. I write of fairies and elves but I don’t believe in them.
Hi eyepriestess,
I just want to say yes, tell me how I can communicate with the dead. I want to talk to my mother who past away in a mysterious way and I would not mind to have her spirit linger with me for the rest of my life. There has been a lot of activty in my home but for some reason they can’t communicate with me nor me with them. I feel like if I am in a shield and I am not the only one who have experiences in the home.
I have tried some spell cast, and I have been spell casted on me and my home but so far no one has had success. What do you think?
The blue light may have not been my husband, but it was comforting at the time.
I know the things that have happened since, have frightened me at times. That is why I don’t communicate with them. I burnt some sage and told them to leave and it was quiet for awhile, but it has started up again. No misty figures or enities like before, but just the shadow figure. My dog growls and barks at nothing sometimes. He must see things that I don’t.
This isn’t an old house. I’m only the second person that has lived here. My late husband died here and I think he might be the residual ghost. Anyway nothing happened here until I asked him for a sign and I think I might have opened a portal for other visiters. Now I have to close that door.
This isn’t about how to communicate with the dead, it is about not doing so and what the risks are. Look at what Greg put above.
As far as casting spells, well that is definately not advised and is probably the cause of the disturbances in your home.
EYEPRISTESS,
My great grandmother has the sight and healing powers. To bad I did not have a chance to meet her only in spirit one time. Since I was a child as long as I can remember I alwasy have seen, angels, spririts and magical beings and I was very sensative to my surroundings. I could touch a tree and feel what the imprints of the person who was there left. I was never hurt by anything or had bad experiences thank the God and the Goddess. I even live next to the cementary and even then my house is very peaceful.
With my friends they would be talking about someone I never met before and they would talk about why it happen to her and I would answere her as if I knew him and what he thought. She at that time thought I was lying to her and I knew the guy but won’t tell her because she asked him and she told her exactly what I told her he would say. With time she knew that what ever comes out of my mouth she will listen and not accuse me.
I could light on a handle and see thru the flame as I ask questions and so forth. During the rain and storms I feel as If I am being called and I am outside feeling alive and energized and as happy as I never have been before. Why who knows…………….
Well, back to what I was saying first, ever since my husband killed himself a few years back I just shut down in my spiritual world and senses. I was in so much pain and shock that I did not want to live anymore and did not care what would happen to me at all. I gave up on everything but I snapped out of it because I have 16 and 5 year old children and so I am here.
Sometimes I think it is him and I am angry because he chose to take his life without thinking of us first, no explainion, no letter no nothing why he did it. I will never know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When there is activty in my house I chose to ignore it and tell them to leave me alone and not to bother me. As the years pass now I want to know who it is and what they want but when I ask I get nothing. I feel as if I have a shield all around me not to communicate with them. I know they are not evil, demonds. But I feel they can’t communicate with me either.
Maybe in a way I am thinking it might be him, my husband. I don’t know! And then again I want it to be my mother so badly. I light a candle and ask her to come to me to tell me what she wants to tell me and the flames goes very high and divided into two flames. When it finished burning under the mass that is left I turned it around and there was a sun and the moon printed on it.
I don’t know what that means!!!!! But I know they are trying to say something to me. I try the ouija and it doesn’t work, I tried the tarrot cards, nothing, I was told I couldn’t be read because there was a blind sight to protect me and that’s when she asked me about my family. She said I was protected by her. I tried saences and again it did not work. Strange!!!!!!!!!!! Why wouldn’t it work with me???????????
I went to a Witch who is a close friend of mine and we were outside. She told me I was no ready for it yet but it was coming and only then I can return back to her to guide me. She said to let go of the pain and my dreams were more real then what I accepted.
What do you think of all of this?
Concerning talking with the dead, I quoted eyepriestess. I see a distinct difference between how good angels and fallen angels/demons may interact with us. God intervens in our life when we need help. He may send messengers physically, in dreams and visions. I don’t think God’s angels communicate with us in ways that God has specifically mentioned as forbidden and unHoly in the Bible.
A fallen angel may appear as an angel of light, leaving us to discern whether the visitor is good or evil in nature.
Frequently, God’s messengers/angels openly show themselves. They look like us, they dress like us, and they speak like us…, everything out in the open (no disembodied voices), no cards, no Ouija, no scrying (spelling?) crystal balls, or other instruments used for divination. It is our prayers that God hears and responds to.
To quote eyepriestess, (no disrespect to you eyepriestess)
“so what we think are ghosts are either demons or angels.”
Greg
None taken Greg, i am learning and do not fully understand what communicates. I need to understand too as others do.
I am sorry for your loss, that is terrible that he never left a reason!!! I think that you should stop trying to communicate with the dead, as you will never get who you are wanting to come through. Like Greg says above, the dead are layed to rest until resurrection time. I fell foul of believing the dead come back to us during ouija, but i quickly realised after questioning that what comes through is NOT our loved ones and turns pretty nasty when questioned. I don’t recommend you test this out as i had a horrific experience….you never want that to happen to you, and if you persist in spells then you will cause it to happen to you as well. Witchcraft is not good if it involves divination and spell casting…trust me on that. Leave it alone and turn away from that as it will give you nothing but trouble in the future, and since you have children, it is doubly a reason to keep away from it.
I never believed in God (one true God) until i was saved from a demonic attack, now i definately DO and i strongly suggest you keep your distance from anything that is to do with conjuring or spell induced.
I want to thank EP and Greg for making a clear warning not to attempt summon spirits. It is responsible to do so. For Glad Eyes, I would gently say that messages from the void will come to you, with patience. A great observation was made by Greg… That messages from above often come with encounters with the living. Personally the closest proximity I ever felt with the divine was with…other people!
I too would like to thank you JHC and Greg, for the information you have offered to this site!